Aidan:

Hello and welcome to the Ideal Nutrition Podcast. My name is Aidan Muir and I’m here with my co-host, Leah Higl. And this is episode 215 where we are going to be talking about neurodivergent nutrition. And we’re going to do this in a bit of a different format where I’m going to be interviewing Leah. And there’s a few reasons for that. Personally, this is an interesting area for me. I did the stats before this podcast and 30 % of my clients have either an ADHD or autism diagnosis.

Around 25 % of our team have a diagnosis as well. And when we talk about defining neurodivergence in a bit, it’ll show how those statistics based solely on diagnosis significantly under represents how many people I’m interacting with on a daily basis where this is relevant. I’m always doing my best, but from my angle, a major reason why we’re doing this podcast is for my own benefit and the benefit of the people I’m working with. Because, I think Leah knows stuff I don’t know about in this space.

So, instead of the usual format where we kind of like split the content, I’m going to take advantage of this and just ask a bunch of questions because at minimum I’ll learn some stuff and hopefully anybody listening learn stuff too. Leah has done extensive work with neurodivergent clients and some of the things we’ll cover include internalised ableism, masking, shifting away from neurotypical expectations and we’ll also cover a neurodivergent nutrition toolbox as well.

But for starters, we probably should start with defining neurodivergence. So Leah, can you start by explaining what neurodivergence actually is and what kind of experiences or conditions fall under that umbrella?

Leah:

The easiest way to define neurodivergence is to think about neurodiversity as being either neurodivergent or neurotypical and there being a range of different ways that this can show up. Ultimately, neurodivergence itself is the brain functioning differently from what society defines as typical and what we would expect and how our brain functions. So it can include things like ADHD and autism. Those are massive ones that fall under this umbrella. But it can also include things like OCD, bipolar, BPD.

It can also include things like Tourette’s. So it’s like you can be born with neurodivergence, but you can also acquire neurodivergence. And there are a lot of different diagnoses that sit under that major umbrella term. And ultimately for me, it’s not really about, like a diagnosis can be super helpful for people, but not necessarily requiring everyone to have a diagnosis in providing neuroaffirming care. But, more just looking at it as there’s a very diverse way of how people process the world and process information.

And I think that’s just an important thing to recognise, full stop. And then having more information on all of these different conditions can be helpful, particularly if they are pertaining to you and your lived experience. And also just acknowledging that mental health and trauma can so much overlap and intersect with neurodivergent traits.

And something that my psychologist said a long time ago to me was that our society doesn’t really create non-traumatised neurodivergent people. And I think that rung so true for me and a lot of my clients because they do find the intersection of these things quite large. And again, for me, it’s really understanding that there is diverse needs and a diverse lived experience.

Aidan:

This is kind of separate to what you were talking about, but something that came to mind regarding diagnosis was a stat I saw for Australia. To get an ADHD diagnosis, the average wait from when someone starts looking is over six months. I know people who’ve got one quickly, but on average it takes more than six months. The cost is also high—around $1,400, including the number of sessions, etc.

So, many people don’t even go down that route. Onto the next question. There are lots of different presentations and variations within neurodivergent experiences. Is there anything you want to touch on around that?

Leah:

Yeah, I think big things to point out here are, A — it’s a spectrum. Not only is there a spectrum of conditions, but there’s a spectrum within different conditions as well. You may hear this being referred to as being like low functioning or high functioning. Ideally, though, we’re getting rid of those kinds of functional labels. They seem to be unhelpful in that they don’t really reflect people’s true support needs.

So, I don’t like using those terms. My preferred terms are people that have low support needs and high support needs, as opposed to being high functioning or low functioning. Some people may just need more accommodations and more assistance in living a fulfilling life than other people. But at the end of the day, we probably all need some level of support.

I think a lot of people will mask quite heavily. Masking means hiding our real needs and hiding our neurodivergence from the rest of the world. We come off as, quote-unquote, “capable” and “normal.” This often leads to people not getting the supports that would help them thrive. That’s why there is this huge move to step away from functional labels, and instead define things by someone’s overall support needs. Support needs can also fluctuate depending on the day, the season of life, or even the environment you’re in.

Aidan:

There’s a good definition of masking in there. Another one you talk about a lot is internalised ableism. How would you define that?

Leah:

Essentially, it’s the belief that you should function like a neurotypical person. You feel maybe quite ashamed when you don’t because you’re not neurotypical — you’re neurodivergent. This shows up as guilt when it comes to needing extra support, like I said, or needing extra tools, or needing more rest, or even just requiring more structure or certain other accommodations. With a lot of my clients in the fitness and wellness industry, they find this kind of discourse around being more productive, being disciplined, and having control over things — like hustle culture — is quite damaging.

It forces them, or I guess it reinforces the guilt around not being able to be neurotypical. Then, this internalised ableism that runs through their thought processes leads to them masking more. They don’t ask for, or accept, additional support that they may have access to. That, in turn, leads to burnout and disconnection over time.

Aidan:

Speaking about going — I guess now going into nutrition and lifestyle — you can answer this in two ways. You can talk about specific ways neurodivergent people can struggle with nutrition and lifestyle stuff. Or you could talk about it from the angle of internalised ableism. You could go really broad with that, because there’s a lot that could be covered.

Leah:

There is so much that could be covered. I think everyone is individual, and their barriers to success when it comes to nutrition and lifestyle interventions are different. What I like to see it as — if we’re thinking of a hierarchy of things that we want to address to have better nutrition as a neurodivergent person — I think breaking down internalised ableism is a foundational part of my neuroaffirming practice.

That’s often what gets in people’s way of even acknowledging that they have barriers. It also gets in the way of making accommodations for those barriers. Once you’ve done that work to break that down — to release the shame and guilt and be okay with the fact that you genuinely may have extra barriers to success, and they require extra support — then you can start making some headway.

Without that acknowledgement, it’s really difficult to do so. Things that might be a struggle for neurodivergent people include executive functioning. This is planning and sequencing different things and remembering the steps — and that can be quite difficult. This often shows up with ADHD, where someone might get — let’s use preparing a meal as an example. Think about all of the little minute steps that go into creating dinner.

You might have an issue sequencing those events. There’s a lack of linear thinking and you’re having all these thoughts at once that combine together. It can be overwhelming and make it hard to act on things. I often find that my clients have a lot of shame around this specifically.

It’s a reason they aren’t able to do meal preparation, or do their grocery shopping, or go to the gym — or whatever they’re trying to do. It’s not about laziness. It’s really this disconnect between intention and action. And going from intention to action is more of a struggle.

Aidan:

So let’s say somebody is experiencing all of that. They are aware of the challenges they’re facing, and they want to make some form of improvement — so to speak — in their nutrition or whatever goal they would also like to work towards. What would you do in that case?

You could answer through the lens of reducing the mental burden of nutrition, or making it easier to do certain things. Or you could even talk about the shame as well — is there anything that could help with that? It’s another broad one, but any thoughts on that?

Leah:

Yeah, I think there’s a lot that you can do. I think having some level of flexible structure in place takes some of that mental burden away. You become more familiar with how to sequence something — like making up a meal. Maybe you’re just using one recipe for dinner and you’re doing that every day. That’s going to be a lot easier to do repetitively, as opposed to a sequence of a different dinner that you don’t really know how to prepare yet.

So, repetitiveness and structure could play a role. Also, making accommodations for yourself — where you’re buying a lot of pre-made meals or doing things that reduce the mental load — means it’s not something you need to micromanage.

Aidan:

Something we’ve spoken about off air — and I’m curious on your thoughts — is time blindness, or forgetting to eat, or other challenges in that space. You’ve obviously worked with so many people in this space. What have you found? Actually, I just want to ask — what have you found that has worked for, let’s say, a decent percentage of people? Because obviously, it presents in different ways.

Leah:

Yeah, I think the time blindness one is the one that creates so much. Everyone has a very different opinion here. The very common one that comes up is: “Well, just set some alarms for yourself.” I do love that — genuinely or generally — throughout the day. Having these pockets of time that pull you out of hyperfocus or remind you that you need to eat, take action, train — whatever the case may be — can help.

I think having an external reminder or cue, like an alarm or some external accountability through another person, or even using things like timers and stopwatches, can all be great tools. But in isolation, I find time blindness is not often just that — it’s not the core issue on its own. Usually, it’s time blindness mixed with other barriers to success. So, you could have someone in front of you who is really struggling with time blindness, but they also struggle to initiate tasks.

They might struggle with sequencing tasks, or they might experience demand avoidance, and things like that. When we create strategies for someone, it needs to hit on all the major barriers. Time blindness may be one, but it’s rarely the only one. Yeah, alarms for that can be great.

Aidan:

Yeah, using that makes sense. I imagine all the barriers are different for each individual person, which makes this so much harder to answer. Have you got any case study or avatar or anything in your mind where you’ve seen a challenge in any of those steps in the sequence, and there’s been a huge unlock? And, extending on that, have you ever seen something reproduced twice? Or is it always different case by case?

Leah:

Yeah, kind of coming back to the structure. I feel like having some level of structure to what we’re doing usually makes a big difference. But structure in a way that is flexible enough. So we can make changes based on sensory needs or the spoons we have for that day. It reduces the overall mental load.

I feel like the structure — while accepting that there is going to be flexibility and that there needs to be flexibility — and planning around knowing that you might have lower spoon days, and having a lot of easy go-to options that don’t require a lot of thinking… All of those things together — usually that’s what I’m doing with each and every person who’s on the other side of my screen in consultation.

Aidan:

Yeah. Even the things you touched on — like simple, repetitive meals, for example. Or meals that are easy to prep, or frozen meals. If that’s what works for somebody. If you go back to that — I don’t know what the term is — not technology, but did you say hustle culture is one example? Like productivity?

Leah:

Yeah, productivity. Hustle.

Aidan:

Pushing for perfection. Yeah, that could be something that puts somebody off going to any of these other options. Odd example, but we’re talking about 30 different plant-based foods per week or whatever. Chasing perfection could put someone off doing the same thing over and over.

Leah:

I think the other thing with neurodivergence is we often see very black-and-white thinking. There’s a level of perfectionism, where rigid thinking is involved. If we can’t do something 100%, why would we do it at all? But we know that 70 to 80% consistency with nutrition is so much better than 0%.

That can be a huge mental hurdle for neurodivergent people. In coaching my clients through that, I really need to prove to them that this is a safe way for their brain to operate. Getting past that can be particularly hard.

Aidan:

Yeah, huge for sure. On that topic of coaching — or any form of support — what kind of role do you see for that?

Leah:

Yeah. In terms of having general support, I feel like having a support team — if accessible — is so helpful for a lot of neurodivergent people. Whether that’s friends or family, and you’re getting support from them around maybe bringing them in to body double your meal prepping, or to help with meal preparation, or to body double training sessions with you.

Aidan:

I’ll get you to pause. Can you define body doubling? I only know because I’ve heard you speak about it.

Leah:

Yeah. It’s essentially the idea of having someone else there whilst you’re doing a task that you may struggle to start or finish. For example, if I have a huge pile — like a doom pile — of clothes sitting on my bed, I often have a hard time completing that task. Unless my partner is there — either helping me or at least sitting there.

He could just be on his phone. But the body doubling itself can be really helpful in getting those things done. You might bring that into your life and go, “Well, maybe my partner can body double me whilst I do my meal preparation.” That means I’m actually going to complete the task all the way through.

I’m better able to start it, instead of facing so much demand avoidance around it. But then you also have the support and structure that can come from having medical and health professionals on your team as well. I mean, a little bit biased, but I feel like dietitians can have a really big role here. Having someone that you can touch base with, debrief with, and who deeply understands your barriers to success as a neurodivergent person can be so valuable.

Not only is it validating and affirming, but you can get really into the nitty gritty of exactly why things are a struggle for you. Then, you can put very specific strategies in place to overcome that. Without knowledge of all the things that can be a struggle with neurodivergence, I feel like it’s really hard to identify those barriers. Even for myself, it wasn’t until I really upskilled in this space and started working quite heavily in it that I was actually able to identify barriers to success in my own life.

As someone who is already ADHD, that opened a whole can of worms — but it has allowed me to progress and make accommodations for myself. I find that’s also true for my clients. I also find a lot of my clients feel like they need to, quote-unquote, “graduate” from the service. They say, “I should get to a point where I’ve got enough knowledge and enough skills and a big enough toolbox to just graduate from needing a dietitian” — or insert any health professional.

The view I like to take is that, because things are so variable — like your capacity to do things and how much you struggle changes depending on the season of life and the environment you’re in — it makes sense that you might always need some level of external support. Having someone to talk through these things with, particularly as things change in life, can be really helpful.

Aidan:

Yeah. If you didn’t bring that up, I was going to — because we obviously have shared notes and stuff like that. I saw them and thought, “That’s it. That’s a key thing I want to talk even more about.” We both see coaches who often say, “Oh, if I’ve done my job, my clients won’t need me in X amount of time,” or whatever.

I do see that perspective. I don’t fully share that perspective myself — in certain cases. Separate topic, but I work with a lot of athletes who always have new goals. I’ve worked with some of them for five years. If I stopped the second they were, quote-unquote, educated or didn’t need me, we probably wouldn’t have achieved what we have.

Bringing that back to this topic — I think that’s a big factor in why 30% of my clients fit the category of having a diagnosis. There would be more who fit the category of neurodivergence in general. I haven’t really taken on new clients in almost 12 months. The percentage of people sticking around — a lot of them are in that kind of camp, where ongoing support is so valuable, even if we’re not necessarily trying to, quote-unquote, graduate.

Leah:

Yeah. I think people look at psychology and say, “Yeah, I see a psychologist ongoing because it’s great for my mental health.” But then they struggle to apply that same reasoning to other services. A lot of my clients stick around for a really long time, just because I can affirm and validate their experience — and reduce their mental load.

Aidan:

So, we have two major areas I want to cover. One is the neurodivergent nutrition toolbox. But first, the last thing I think we should talk about before that is: are there any differences in how you define health or success with neurodivergent clients?

Leah:

Yes. I feel like defining success is going to be different from person to person. Taking it away from a specific goal — maybe a fitness or body composition goal — can be really helpful. Instead, I like to frame it as: Am I nourished? Do I feel safe and regulated? Do I have the tools in my toolbox, or the accommodations and support needed in my life, to not get burnt out from doing these things?

Because if we frame success around very specific health and fitness goals, it becomes really rigid — particularly for autistic people. A lot of neurodivergent people can be very rigid with the goals they set. Then they feel a lot of guilt and shame when they don’t reach them. Ultimately, if you have the goal of nourishing your body and feeling safe in your body, that has such a good flow-on effect to everything else. Those other goals and outcomes can come alongside that.

Aidan:

Now, obviously we can’t oversimplify any of this. But we’re going to try and go broad with some of the strategies you use with people who are neurodivergent. So I’m going to ask: what are your go-to options, knowing we’ll go in a lot of directions with this? What are some of the things you’re looking at?

Leah:

I feel like I’m going to take this opportunity to touch on what I feel are really important points. The first thing I’ll touch on is: we can’t talk about neurodivergence in isolation. We need to discuss — or at least acknowledge — how it intersects with things like race, gender, trauma history, class, and much more. What’s accessible to one person may be impossible for another. That’s why a lot of the advice around neurodivergent nutrition and lifestyle online just falls flat for so many people.

They say, “Well, I did that — it didn’t help me at all.” It’s because we’re not acknowledging how complex all of this stuff can be. I like to mention that because, like I said, a lot of this content can feel a little bit redundant. Or at least almost invalidating in a way, because it feels too simple. It doesn’t highlight — or even acknowledge — the complexity. It also often only focuses on ADHD and autism.

That’s a big thing in the community. Neurodivergence gets boiled down to just those two diagnoses. But we know it’s so much more than that. It intersects with trauma a lot, and that can be a huge factor to consider. Typically, this kind of information is only directed at those with, quote-unquote, “lower support needs.” But there are many neurodivergent people who have higher support needs, and they’re going to need completely different recommendations.

In general, not accounting for intersectionality makes health advice more likely to cause harm. It also feels super irrelevant to a lot of people — including many of my clients. They’ve seen health practitioners who say, “Yeah, I know about ADHD,” and it turns out to be a really harmful or unhelpful experience. It often gets boiled down to, “Just set some alarms and you’ll be okay.”

We know it’s much more complex than that. Neurodivergence also often intersects with being chronically ill. There’s a huge co-occurrence of things like EDS, POTS, MCAS, and chronic fatigue syndrome. All of those conditions need to be taken into account as well. That’s my little ramble into it. So, when I talk about a nutrition toolbox, I just want to frame it by saying: this alone is not always going to be enough.

Everyone has different barriers to success when it comes to nutrition and lifestyle. That’s really important to recognise. If I go through all of this and none of it really flips a switch for you — or it doesn’t help — then we might just need to look deeper. Some of these tools may feel redundant or might not hit the point you really need. In saying that, some of the things I like to do with my clients — I’ve briefly mentioned repetitive meals before.

We might just have a few repetitive meal templates that are easy to action. They don’t require a lot of mental load or capacity to start and finish. We might have a lot of shelf-stable, non-perishable snacks and meals. We also keep different kinds of meal kits in the cupboard for when executive dysfunction is high. Or when there’s a lot of demand avoidance going on. We could have things like a low-spoon food list. This is something I really highly rate — having a plan for low-spoon or low-energy days. We didn’t really touch on the spoon concept earlier.

Aidan:

We didn’t define spoons.

Leah:

But it’s essentially the idea that you have a certain number of spoons for the day, and each thing you do uses up a spoon. So, let’s say you start the day with 20 spoons. Going to work might take 10 of those. Getting ready for work might take two. Cooking dinner could take one spoon. Having a shower might take two or three — depending on the person. How many spoons each task takes is very individual.

But it’s the idea that some days we might start or have a lot of spoons and on other days we might start with like five spoons and we have to be really mindful about how we spend those spoons. So having a plan. Some days, we might start with a lot of spoons. Other days, we might start with five. We have to be really mindful about how we spend them.

Having a plan for low-spoon days can be a real lifesaver. If we only plan for when things are going well, it’s going to fall apart really quickly — especially for a neurodivergent person. Although I do feel like that’s true for most people in general. We could also use more visual cues around the house or workplace. Things like timers and whiteboards. A lot of my clients like to print things and stick them on the fridge.

Some even create little booklets to keep in the kitchen. These physical reminders work well. That “out of sight, out of mind” thing is very real and can make functioning really hard. You might forget you bought bananas because they’re in the fridge and not visible. If they were sitting on the bench, you’d probably remember and eat them. That’s a basic example, but it’s helpful. We’ve already discussed body doubling.

That can be really helpful for things like cooking or getting started on tasks. I also love things like pre-planned food delivery — whether it’s HelloFresh-style kits or fully prepared meals. Even having shopping lists ready to go on the Woolworths or Coles app. Then all you have to do is click for delivery. We look at what we can put in place to really streamline these processes. That helps take out the tiny steps that add mental load. We might also have agreements with support people.

A lot of people find external accountability really helpful. Having someone check in — “Have you drunk water today?” or “Have you eaten?” — can make a big difference. Neurodivergent people who live alone, or who don’t have great support around them, are at higher risk of not taking care of themselves. I find, again, that external support can be pivotal to improving someone’s quality of life, nutrition, and all that jazz.

I love a snack box. A lot of my clients actually have snack boxes set up all around their house. We’re really intentional with what we put in them. These can act as visual cues — a reminder like, “Hey, you should eat something,” even if you don’t want anything specifically from that box. Sometimes it’s a matter of: “I can’t move from this spot, but at least I’ve got the snack box on my desk.” So, maybe I’ll choose a couple of things from there since it’s lunchtime.

It’s all about removing those barriers to entry. Another big thing I find is around permission. Neurodivergent people often need permission to eat things that aren’t, quote-unquote, “perfect.” I encourage using things that are easy to assemble — like snack platters. That’s something I often give to clients. They can just put a few things on a plate and call it a day — maybe there’s no cooking involved at all.

Aidan:

I do have some follow-up questions. That was literally the purpose of the podcast — I’m going to let you keep going because that’s so much of what I wanted to get out of this. And there’ll be even more after that. One of the follow-up questions I had was: when you’re working with clients, how are you pitching this stuff? It’s another broad question. Even just permission — that’s such a big thing in itself.

But for some of these strategies, like the alarm one, I assume a lot of people have already tried that. If they haven’t, do you have a list you work through? How do you bring this up?

Leah:

Yeah, I feel like it’s so context-dependent on the conversation we’re having. Usually, it starts with something like, “I’m having X issue.” Then the conversation goes, “Let’s dig deeper into that. Why are we having X issue?” We start analysing why that might be happening. Over time, I’ve gotten really good at forming theories around someone’s behaviour. Then they can either confirm, “Yes, that rings true for me,” or say, “No, that’s not quite right.” Is it an issue with poor interoception?

Is it about feeling overwhelmed and not wanting to start the task? Understanding why someone can’t do something helps inform the next approach. Usually, once someone identifies what’s stopping them, the solution becomes clearer. A lot of the time, they haven’t even recognised it as a barrier. If you don’t know what’s standing in your way, it’s hard to find a way through. Once we know what the barrier is, the solution tends to feel obvious.

Aidan:

Yeah, very much so. So, it’s kind of like you wait for the issue to present itself?

Leah:

Yes, I think that’s important. I’ll often start with some level of flexible structure that fits the person’s food preferences and safe foods. Then over the next few weeks — when they first start working with me — I’ll say: “Barriers to success are going to come up. I expect you to struggle with certain things.

Please take note of when that happens. If you can, write down some theories about why it happened. We’ll talk through it in our sessions.” Then a lot of the process becomes about identifying and troubleshooting those barriers.

Aidan:

Yeah, incredible. This next one won’t be a question, but we’ve got some shared notes with a section marked “also important.” I wanted to cut in and ask a question earlier, but yeah — let’s get into more things in this space.

Leah:

Yeah, I feel like that’s the toolbox I’ll usually pull from when we’re trying to solve a specific problem. They’re really common strategies I use. But I also like to make a few extra points to my clients. One is the importance of autonomy and regulation — rather than perfection — in food choices. A lot of neurodivergent people feel shame for their so-called “suboptimal” choices. Maybe they ate toast for dinner again, instead of having a “proper” meal with carbs, vegetables, and protein.

I ask: is that all you had capacity for? Because I would rather you eat something — even if it’s toast — than eat nothing at all. We can put things in place later to support you to have something more balanced, if that’s helpful. But sometimes there are going to be days, or even just individual meals, where you need to prioritise your mental wellbeing and nervous system regulation. You just go with what feels easiest.

That changes day to day. So, it’s about reframing the question from, “Is this ideal?” or “Is this the perfect choice?” And instead asking, “Is this enough?” Is it safe? Is it accessible? Is it within my capacity right now? That broader framing helps people take their neurodivergence into account. Instead of ignoring it and wondering why they’re struggling so much.

Aidan:

Are there any other things you want to touch on before we go into reflections or a summary?

Leah:

Yeah, I’m going to make two extra points, actually. First, I think it’s so important to normalise repeating foods. A lot of people feel shame around how repetitive their food choices are. But if that’s what helps you feel regulated, then that’s what you should do. There may be situations where expanding variety or building on safe foods is important for health. Or maybe the client wants more variety — and that’s fine. But I never push variety just for the sake of it.

I don’t want to fully optimise something if it’s going to add a ton of mental load. I’d rather work within what feels safe and doable for the person. From there, we can vary or expand things slowly, based on their comfort level. We’re really focusing on staying within someone’s sensory limits. That could look like using fortified foods or protein powders. It could mean changing the texture of fruits or vegetables — maybe through smoothies or blended soups.

There are ways to improve variety that still feel manageable. Once again, I just want to make the point that I don’t push variety for variety’s sake. A lot of neurodivergent people who’ve accessed nutrition services have had negative experiences with this.

The same goes for the demonisation of “beige foods.” A lot of neurodivergent people — especially autistic people — tend to gravitate towards beige foods. Things like bread, pasta, rice, cheese — those kinds of foods feel safe and predictable. Then they see messaging online, or hear it from health professionals, saying, “That’s not good for you,” or “You need more colour on your plate.” But many of these beige foods are actually nutrient-dense.

Cheese is a good example. So are potatoes. There’s nothing wrong with them. We need to move away from the idea that beige means bad. A lot of the time, neurodivergent people internalise that kind of messaging — and that can be really damaging.

Aidan:

Yeah, that’s tricky for sure. To wrap things up — and this will be the last thing — if someone is feeling overwhelmed, even after everything we’ve gone through today… What would you want them to take away?

Leah:

I always say to my clients: you are not broken. Neurodiversity has existed forever. It’s going to keep existing. Your brain just works in a different way. Instead of thinking, “I need to fit into these neurotypical ideas of what health and success look like,” we flip the script.

What actually works for you? What accommodations do you need? Rather than adding more mental load or pretending to be neurotypical, let’s build a system that actually works for your brain.

Aidan:

Well said. We’ll wrap it up there. This has been episode 215 of the Ideal Nutrition Podcast. I was going to give a plug for you, but you’re booked out.

Leah:

I am — maybe not forever, we’ll see. I might be opening my books around August. So if you’re interested, I post all my openings on Instagram — @plantstrong_dietitian.

Aidan:

Incredible. Well, this has been episode 215 of the Ideal Nutrition Podcast. As always, if you haven’t already, we’d really appreciate it if you left a rating or review. Thanks so much for listening.